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Pathca wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2022 5:45 pm My NHS Trust is bringing back compulsory mask wearing and I am hearing of others
Masks have remained compulsory in hospitals, doctors' surgeries, imagery/medical buildings, including our vaccination/PCR centre. Yet recently we've had a number of people coming in for tests following a positive antigène test with a "Oh I forgot my mask" 😡 How stupid can people get ? They're the same people who probably don't self-isolate but carry on going out unmasked ....

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At the moment we have visiting 2-7 pm two at a bedside at a time but any number in a day,I think that will change soon back to tighter restrictions but still allowing masked ,tested visitors as I don’t think they will ban visitors altogether unless it gets very very bad again

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#63 Post by Bayleaf »

Blaze wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2022 7:14 pm
Pathca wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2022 5:45 pm My NHS Trust is bringing back compulsory mask wearing and I am hearing of others
Masks have remained compulsory in hospitals, doctors' surgeries, imagery/medical buildings, including our vaccination/PCR centre. Yet recently we've had a number of people coming in for tests following a positive antigène test with a "Oh I forgot my mask" 😡 How stupid can people get ? They're the same people who probably don't self-isolate but carry on going out unmasked ....
Our local pharmacy has dropped the rule - and actually says on the door "masks not obligatory". Great example to set! Needless to say, I was the only one wearing a mask in there the other day, and I think I may have glowered at everyone else! :lol:

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#64 Post by Bayleaf »

Blaze wrote: Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:30 am
niemeyjt wrote: Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:58 am Here they say 4 months after infection. But minimum age 65 unless you pay. So one way or another I will get my 4th in September as well.
After 3 months, protection starts going down and the amount and speed will be different for everyone. We're pretty anti-social in the summer and have started wearing masks again when shopping. Some people actually turn up for a PCR test not wearing a mask ..... :o
So basically, after 3/4 months after your last vaccine, you're on minimal protection anyway, unless you keep having top ups. Doc hasn't offered us a 4th. And the vaccines wouldn't have kicked in unless you'd actually been infected? Try telling that to the hoards of people congregating everywhere! Happy to remain anti-social!

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#65 Post by Blaze »

@Bayleaf There are still many unknowns including why people are affected differently by the virus and the vaccines. The guidelines/rules are made on the advice of the medical and scientific experts and this varies from country to country. Currently the government seeks to protect the elderly and vulnerable but it's possible that if figures rise during the summer, a 4th jab could be recommended for everyone. The problem is that it seems protection doesn't last very long.
Bayleaf wrote: Fri Jul 08, 2022 8:43 am And the vaccines wouldn't have kicked in unless you'd actually been infected?
Not quite sure what you mean, Bayleaf, but basically being vaccinated won't necessarily stop you catching the virus, but in most cases it should protect you from the worst symptoms.
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#66 Post by Pathca »

exile wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 8:04 pm
Blaze wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 7:27 pm
Remember that the vaccinations will not stop you catching the virus, only to give you some protection against the worst symptoms.
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I will go one step further than that. Vaccines only work when you have caught the virus - and that applies to all vaccines against viruses.

For the vaccine induced antibody response to kick in, it has to have something to kick in against - namely the virus that has arrived inside your body and is now trying to take over. The antibody response will hopefully stop that take over or at worst reduce the level to which you are infected.
I think Bayleaf may have misunderstood this comment of Exiles ,where he talks about the vaccine response kicking in ,

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Bayleaf wrote: Fri Jul 08, 2022 8:43 am

So basically, after 3/4 months after your last vaccine, you're on minimal protection anyway, unless you keep having top ups. Doc hasn't offered us a 4th. And the vaccines wouldn't have kicked in unless you'd actually been infected? Try telling that to the hoards of people congregating everywhere! Happy to remain anti-social!
No @Bayleaf

Protection does not suddenly switch off after a set time period.

After you receive your booster, your level of protection rises to a peak that is generally after 3-4 weeks. The protection level then stays more or less level - with perhaps a slight decrease over time for another 2-3 months and then starts to diminish over time. Your protection at say 5 months may be around one half of that at the peak but that still means that your body is well set up to protect in most people*. It is just not as well set up as at the peak. If you then get the virus the antibodies will still kick in but there will be fewer of them and so the virus is likely to take a greater hold (= your symptoms will be worse) before the defence systems start to take over. Those defences consist of "old" antibody cells as well as newly manufactured ones.

* Those most vulnerable may not be as well set up.

AS to the vaccines kicking in when you are infected, that as @Pathca suggests is a misunderstanding.

You get the vaccine and your body will generate antibodies irrespective of whether you will or won't be infected.
It is the antibodies that kick in when you are infected. The vaccine has been and gone - unless you are infected a few days after getting your shot.

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#68 Post by Pathca »

Hence why you can feel off colour when you get a vaccine

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My english neighbours are coming over in August. She still works for the NHS and tells me its 9 months since her last jab. She's 71 but says she can't get a booster because currently in the UK you have to be over 75! I am not looking forward to their visit!
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#70 Post by Pathca »

Yes they aren’t boosting NHS front line staff unless you meet other criteria at the moment,TBF Sparkle once they have been there a few days you should be okay,and she can get free Lateral Flow tests as an NHS worker so you could ask her to test

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