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#11 Post by exile »

Biloute wrote: Wed Aug 13, 2025 7:24 am I'm not an expert on pesticides and insecticides, so I won't judge whether neonicotinoids, including acetamiprid, can be used or not.
However, I note the following curious facts:
- The beets aren't flowering when the products are used: so, what danger is there for bees?
- Acetamiprid is authorized throughout the EU except France: is it only dangerous here?
- Will France ban imports of all plants grown with acetamiprid? And if so, will the EU accept this?
- The Duplomb Law was passed by Parliament, in the name of the people, since its members were democratically elected. Does it make sense for the Constitutional Council, whose members are not elected, to overturn a law passed by the people's elected representatives? If so, we should abolish Parliament and we'll save a lot of money!

Clearly you are not, as you say, an expert
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Acetamiprid is a systemic insecticide. This means it is absorbed by the plant and remains active there.
There is therefore a danger to bees when they arrive at a treated plant - and all of the other insects involved in pollination.

And as a matter of interest, do you feel happy using sugar that might contain traces of insecticide?

These extracts from Wiki:

Studies (in Europe, China, and Japan) have established a link between acetamiprid and neurodevelopmental disorders in mammals. In a statement from May 2024, the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA) stated that "there are major uncertainties for the developmental neurotoxicity properties (toxicity affecting brain development) of acetamiprid and, therefore, further data are needed to achieve a more robust mechanistic understanding that would enable a proper hazard and risk assessment.

In Europe Acetamiprid is not considered persistent in soil but persistent in water. It is considered highly toxic for aquatic organisms.
So run off is going to poison our rivers - which incidentally are often our sources for drinking water.

A recent study has implicated acetamiprid as a cause of erectile dysfunction in human males and may be implicated in the problem of declining human fertility, and called into question its safety, particularly where its use may be subject to abuse

Still think banning it is a bad idea?

Still think it is a good way to produce cheap sugar so we can all get overweight?

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#12 Post by Biloute »

@exile and Blaze:
No, I'm not an expert, and I'm not ashamed to admit it... That said, I'm not sure the so-called wise men of the Constitutional Council are any more so than me, nor the parliamentarians who approved the Duplomb law, nor the people who signed a petition to repeal it...
That's why we have a High Authority for Health whose members should know what they're talking about ! But we haven't heard much from them...
Exile, don't put words in my mouth !
Did I say it shouldn't be banned ? NO !
What I said was that I was surprised to learn that it was banned only in France and not in any other EU country. Since farmers claim they can't produce beets without using it, France will have to import ALL its sugar from countries that use it... (I don't care, I only consume cane sugar, and even then, very little).
By the way, are the health authorities of all other countries stupid idiots ? I'm just asking...
My other point is that our Constitutional Council is no better than Trump when it comes to respecting democracy !
Demain est le premier des jours qu'il nous reste à vivre: profitons-en ! :D

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#13 Post by exile »

No the other health authorities are not stupid idiots. Germany is reducing the permitted level of residues left on crops and the European health authorities are examining the newest data on usage, toxicity and residues. There is clearly Europewide concern. They are getting there even if they are a bit slower.

In any change, someone has to be first and in this case I am pleased that it is France.

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