Bye Bye Keir
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Bayleaf
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Maybe conscience got the better of him. Don't expect anything better from Andy Burnham - also in Israel's pocket. 
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Polarengineer
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My view is that this Burnham bloke is only there for the glory and not for the work. I’m already fed up with his face in the papers. Sad day yet again for UK.
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Burnham has worked very hard indeed in creating a new Manchester, where people want to invest their businesses and where the general population have some benefits from that success through things like cheap public transport.
Whether he can do the same for the whole of the UK is another matter; but I for one will give him time to try.
Whether he can do the same for the whole of the UK is another matter; but I for one will give him time to try.
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I feel that democracy has been swerved.
The MP for Makerfield resigned to let Andy Burnham (hopefully) take his place. I would be very annoyed if I lived in that constituency.
Kier Starmer resigns & Andy Burnham seems to have a direct path to leadership of the Labour party.
Something about this feels wrong to me.
The MP for Makerfield resigned to let Andy Burnham (hopefully) take his place. I would be very annoyed if I lived in that constituency.
Kier Starmer resigns & Andy Burnham seems to have a direct path to leadership of the Labour party.
Something about this feels wrong to me.
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Chappers51
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Unfortunately it was Starmer who blocked Burnham from standing in Groton and Denton, when Andrew Gwynne resigned.
Andy Burnham was my MP, elected in 2001. I lived in the Leigh constituency and worked in the neighbouring one of Salford at the time. He was well thought of by many of his constituents.
Just an interesting coincidence, in 2003 I went to work in Andrew Gwynn’s constituency when he was a councillor and served on local governing bodies.
I was pleased when Starmer was appointed and really thought he could unite the country and bring about appropriate change but, in my opinion, he didn’t have the charisma nor decisiveness to convince the voters in the traditional labour heartlands which had moved towards Farage and Reform.
Needless to say, I’ve followed these developments with interest and I’m with exile, we need to give Burnham a chance.
Andy Burnham was my MP, elected in 2001. I lived in the Leigh constituency and worked in the neighbouring one of Salford at the time. He was well thought of by many of his constituents.
Just an interesting coincidence, in 2003 I went to work in Andrew Gwynn’s constituency when he was a councillor and served on local governing bodies.
I was pleased when Starmer was appointed and really thought he could unite the country and bring about appropriate change but, in my opinion, he didn’t have the charisma nor decisiveness to convince the voters in the traditional labour heartlands which had moved towards Farage and Reform.
Needless to say, I’ve followed these developments with interest and I’m with exile, we need to give Burnham a chance.
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Sadly, charisma is not enough in today's world. Do people really think that idiot Boris was fit to lead a county? People still love him but he was not much more than a clown. Government is serious business, not a game for personal gain.Chappers51 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2026 7:32 pm Unfortunately it was Starmer who blocked Burnham from standing in Groton and Denton, when Andrew Gwynne resigned.
I was pleased when Starmer was appointed and really thought he could unite the country and bring about appropriate change but, in my opinion, he didn’t have the charisma nor decisiveness to convince the voters in the traditional labour heartlands which had moved towards Farage and Reform.
In case nobody has noticed, we are worryingly close to World War III. Starmer has been standing up to the Orange Menace and being seen at the top with European leaders in standing up to Putin. He is seen as a proper statesman and will be missed. It is a shame there was so much opposition within his own party and fires fuelled by the media constantly chipping a way at his efforts.
On my headstone it will say: Please switch off mobile phones. I'm trying to get some sleep.
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Jonathan Freedland’s analysis in The Guardian this morning is worth reading, Hotrodder
Jonathan Freedland’s analysis in The Guardian this morning is worth reading, Hotrodder
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I have no strong feeling for or against Burnham - had I voted for him to be mayor of Manchester, I might.
I feel sorry for Starmer though - I believe he is the victim of the changing times we are in. I think he is intrinsically a decent and honourable person (I accept that there were early questions about suits and other trivia which damaged him) but I think that he did deliver some of the things he promised on being elected but there is scant recognition of that. Add to that, he kept the UK away from a half-baked war of Trump's making.
I just feel that loyalty is missing from politics and, perhaps, life in general. Burnham towards his Manchester voters, those "chancer" senior Labour politicians who saw opportunity before duty, those new Labour MPs who failed to recognise that their election is in no small way due to the party leader and probably us who no longer think anything is "good enough" and constantly looking for someone to blame.
Without a doubt U turns and dithering did not help Starmer and these were of his making. But will history remember him for those failings or for making progress on social issues in difficult financial times, for standing firm on the Ukraine and for keeping the UK out of a senseless universally destructive war?
I feel sorry for Starmer though - I believe he is the victim of the changing times we are in. I think he is intrinsically a decent and honourable person (I accept that there were early questions about suits and other trivia which damaged him) but I think that he did deliver some of the things he promised on being elected but there is scant recognition of that. Add to that, he kept the UK away from a half-baked war of Trump's making.
I just feel that loyalty is missing from politics and, perhaps, life in general. Burnham towards his Manchester voters, those "chancer" senior Labour politicians who saw opportunity before duty, those new Labour MPs who failed to recognise that their election is in no small way due to the party leader and probably us who no longer think anything is "good enough" and constantly looking for someone to blame.
Without a doubt U turns and dithering did not help Starmer and these were of his making. But will history remember him for those failings or for making progress on social issues in difficult financial times, for standing firm on the Ukraine and for keeping the UK out of a senseless universally destructive war?